In this episode of the Less Insurance Dependence podcast, host Angie welcomes Scott Plantenberg from Professional Transition Strategies. Scott brings over 35 years of healthcare experience, including more than two decades in dentistry, spanning dental sales, consulting, practice analysis, and, most recently, the buy side of dental transactions. That insider perspective gives him a rare view into how DSO buyers evaluate practices, and where sellers unintentionally lose value along the way.

Scott’s central argument is that most dentists treat a practice transition as a single event rather than a multi-year process, and that mistake alone costs sellers real money. He walks through the mechanics of how DSOs calculate EBITDA in their own favor, why an unbiased third-party valuation is the single biggest source of negotiating leverage a doctor can have, and why waiting until burnout sets in almost always results in a discounted offer. A recurring theme throughout: the doctor who knows their real number walks into every conversation from a position of strength, whether the ultimate decision is to sell, stay independent, or simply wait.

The episode closes with a concrete first step for any dentist with a transition anywhere on the horizon: get an independent, unbiased practice valuation, often called a prospectus, well before any offer arrives. Scott shares a real example of a practice that received a 1.5x EBITDA offer once multiple buyers were brought into the competition for it, and explains why the same competitive dynamic is available to almost any well-prepared seller.

Key Takeaways
  1. Most sellers lose value simply by not knowing their own numbers. Without an independent valuation, sellers end up negotiating from a number the buyer generated, and DSOs have business development teams, analysts, boards, and pre-approved lending formulas all working in their own favor.
  2. A practice transition is a multi-year process, not a single event. Decisions made three to five years before a sale, including whether marketing spend continues and whether staff accountability is maintained, directly shape how a buyer views the practice and its future performance.
  3. EBITDA calculation methodology can swing a valuation by hundreds of thousands of dollars. A $100,000 difference in EBITDA at a 6x multiple is a $600,000 difference in the final offer. DSOs calculate EBITDA using their own parameters, and those parameters are frequently tilted in their favor.
  4. Competition among multiple buyers is the single most reliable way for a seller to increase their offer. In one real example Scott shares, the same buyer a doctor had already chosen independently ended up paying 1.5x EBITDA more once nine other groups were brought into the process to compete for the same practice.

Episode Timestamps

  • 00:00:06 – Introduction & Guest Overview
    • Angie introduces Scott Plantenberg from Professional Transition Strategies. Scott brings over 35 years of healthcare experience, including more than two decades in dentistry specifically, spanning dental sales, consulting, practice analysis, and, most recently, the buy side of dental transactions.
    • Today’s episode covers where dentists lose value during a transition, the most common mistake owners make before starting the process, and how understanding a practice’s true value changes every decision that follows.

    Angie: Welcome to the Less Insurance Dependence podcast. I’m your host, Angie, and this show is dedicated to helping dental professionals build stronger, more profitable practices with less reliance on insurance. Today we’re talking about something that many dentists eventually consider but often prepare for too late: practice transitions. Joining me today is Scott Plantenberg from Professional Transition Strategies. Scott brings over 35 years of healthcare experience, including more than two decades of working specifically in dentistry. His background includes dental sales, consulting, practice analysis, and, most recently, working on the buy side of dental transactions. Today, we’re discussing Know Your Number: The Insider’s Guide to Practice Transitions. Scott, welcome to the show.

    Scott Plantenberg: Great to be here. Thank you.

  • 00:01:46 – Where Sellers Typically Lose the Most Value
    • Scott’s first and most direct answer: not knowing from their own perspective what the practice is worth. Sellers frequently end up negotiating from a valuation the buyer generated, and DSOs have business development teams, analysts, boards, and pre-approved lending formulas all working to determine a practice’s value in their own favor.
    • A second common issue: CPAs who have spent years optimizing a practice for tax savings, including personal expenses and family on payroll, without understanding how a DSO investor views those same numbers under an adjusted EBITDA calculation. Waiting too long to explore transition options is the final major factor, since a doctor ready to be done immediately has only one real option left.

    Scott Plantenberg: There are a few things, but right up front, just not knowing from their own perspective what the practice is worth. They might negotiate from someone else’s valuation, usually one that the buyer generated. The DSOs are really structured — they’ve got a business development team, analysts, boards all in place to determine a practice value from their perspective. Sometimes we’ll see the CPA that works with a seller, and they’ve spent years looking at a practice from a tax savings perspective — personal expenses, family on the payroll — and they just don’t understand how an investor looks at the practice related to this adjusted EBITDA calculation. The last thing where a doctor loses value is they just wait too long. They don’t begin exploring their transition options until they’re ready to be done, and then they only have one option.

  • 00:04:49 – A Real Example: How Competition Raised an Offer by 1.5x EBITDA
    • Scott shares a case from Oregon in which a doctor was already in direct contact with a DSO and had received a decent offer on his own. After Professional Transition Strategies was brought in, 10 buyers were brought into the competition for the same practice.
    • The doctor ultimately chose the exact same buyer he had independently selected, but the final offer was 1.5x EBITDA higher, purely as a result of that competitive process.

    Scott Plantenberg: We had one a few years back. Doctor was talking directly with a DSO, really liked that DSO, got a decent offer, but then said, I think I could do better. We created a process. We had probably 10 buyers competing for that practice. This one was in Oregon, and the doctor ended up choosing the same buyer that he’d originally chosen on his own. But because there were 10 groups competing, the offer was one and a half times EBITDA higher from the same group because of that competitive process.

  • 00:05:46 – The Biggest Mistake: Treating a Transition as an Event, Not a Process
    • Scott identifies this as the most common mistake dentists make: viewing a transition as a single event rather than the result of a series of decisions made over years leading up to it. A practice with a flat or declining trajectory in the years before a sale signals reduced confidence to any buyer.
    • Doctors nearing the end of their career often unintentionally take their foot off the gas, reducing marketing, easing off staff accountability, and mentally checking out, all of which a buyer will notice and price into a discounted offer.

    Scott Plantenberg: One of the biggest mistakes is just how they view it. They view it as an event, and it really is a process. It’s a lot of decisions over the course of years leading up to the transition that can have an impact. If a doctor’s expecting a transition soon, sometimes they’re taking more time off, they might reduce marketing efforts, they don’t hold the staff accountable to sustain the practice like it had done before. A downward trend, every buyer sees that, and it’s always going to typically result in a discounted offer. Whereas a doctor who’s got three to five years out, typically the financials are clean and strong, or at least they have time to improve them.

  • 00:08:13 – Why Waiting Too Long Weakens Negotiating Position
    • An investor buyer needs assurance that the practice will continue performing at the same level after the sale, and the doctor is the key engine in that prediction. A doctor who is ready to leave immediately represents more risk to a buyer, and buyers price that risk by paying less upfront.
    • Scott notes the average age of a dentist who transacted with PTS last year was 46, giving a long runway. Doctors willing to stay for five or ten years give buyers far more confidence and are rewarded with better structured deals.

    Scott Plantenberg: Any investor, you gotta look at this from the investor eyes. They wanna make sure whatever they’re paying for, they get a solid return. The most predictable way to get a solid return on the investment is the engine, and the doctor is the key component in all of this. If the doctor wants to be gone, there’s not a predictable reassurance that it’s gonna continue to perform at that level. The way a buyer controls that risk is to pay less upfront. Our average age of dentist that transacted last year was 46 years old, so they had a long runway, and the investor buyer is way more willing to lean in with a better deal, better structured terms.

  • 00:09:33 – Kickbacks, Conflicts of Interest, and Why Unbiased EBITDA Matters
    • Scott raises a conflict of interest most sellers are unaware of: some brokers are quietly compensated by the DSO buyer, even while nominally representing the seller, creating an incentive to close a deal at whatever price the DSO is willing to pay rather than pushing for the seller’s best outcome.
    • PTS is paid exclusively by the seller, which Scott positions as a way to remove that conflict. He also describes encountering brokers as a DSO buyer who could not produce their own EBITDA calculation methodology at all, leaving the doctor with no way to verify whether the number was accurate.

    Scott Plantenberg: There are definitely brokers that are quietly being paid by a DSO, and we as brokers are representing the seller, but now the buyer is actually influencing things because of some type of a kickback. We view that as a conflict of interest. Since we’re paid by the seller, we work for the seller. Historically, we’re seeing the offers be one to one and a half times EBITDA higher, which, again, a strong practice with $500,000 of EBITDA, you’re talking about an extra $750,000 or more in how an offer might come in.

  • 00:12:18 – Why a $100,000 EBITDA Difference Can Mean a $600,000 Valuation Swing
    • Because most DSO valuations are calculated as a multiple of EBITDA, even small discrepancies compound significantly. A $100,000 difference in EBITDA at a 6x multiple translates to a $600,000 difference in the final offer.
    • Scott shares a live example of a current negotiation where a single decision about whether one support staff member’s compensation counts toward the valuation could shift the total offer by seven to eight hundred thousand dollars.

    Scott Plantenberg: In the DSO world, most valuations are done as a multiple of EBITDA. So if your EBITDA’s off by a hundred thousand dollars and the offer is six times EBITDA, you’re talking about a $600,000 difference. I’ve got a client right now, and there’s some negotiation on one of the support staff, are they included in the valuation or not. And that person’s pretty well compensated. So literally the entire valuation can fluctuate by seven or $800,000 because this EBITDA number has some play in it.

  • 00:13:12 – Sponsor: Ekwa Marketing
    • Angie pauses to recognize this episode’s sponsor, Ekwa Marketing, connecting the theme of financial clarity to marketing clarity for practices considering their next move.
    • Ekwa Marketing is offering a complimentary marketing strategy meeting for Less Insurance Dependence listeners. Book at lessinsurancedependence.com/msm or book a complimentary coaching strategy meeting with Gary at lessinsurancedependence.com/csm.

    Angie: Whether someone is thinking about selling, staying independent, or simply understanding where they currently stand, having clarity changes every decision they make. And for practices looking to strengthen their growth and visibility, Ekwa Marketing offers a complimentary marketing strategy meeting at lessinsurancedependence.com/msm or book a complimentary coaching strategy meeting with Gary at lessinsurancedependence.com/csm.

  • 00:14:00 – How Knowing Your True Number Changes Every Negotiation
    • Scott’s core message: knowing your valuation is the single source of leverage a seller has. As a former buyer himself, he describes the standard playbook of throwing out an early number, hoping the doctor accepts it simply because they lack the resources to know who else to ask.
    • His analogy: it’s the same as knowing your home has already been appraised before someone knocks on your door offering to buy it. An informed seller can confidently accept a strong offer or walk away from a weak one, and sometimes the best decision is to do nothing and keep running a great practice as is.

    Scott Plantenberg: As a seller, knowing how you would be valued, it’s the single source of leverage that you have. As a former buyer, we were trying to get a deal, right? We wanted great practices, perfect numbers, and we wanted it at a discount. It’s like your house, if someone knocked on your door offering you money to sell your home, but you’d already had your home appraised, then you’d be confident knowing that’s a really good offer, or you’d be confident knowing that walking away made sense. If you already know what your practice is worth, then you’ve got the power in making an informed decision. And maybe the decision is not to sell it all.

  • 00:17:08 – How Financial Clarity Changes Confidence in Buyer Conversations
    • An informed seller enters every buyer conversation knowing they hold a valuable asset, which shifts the entire tone of the discussion. Scott encourages doctors to be willing to walk away entirely if an offer doesn’t meet what they know their practice is worth, with no downside to doing so.
    • PTS charges no upfront fee for their prospectus or for taking a practice to market, and is only paid when the doctor is paid, which Scott positions as fully aligning incentives with the seller.

    Scott Plantenberg: They know right up front, this is somebody who values me. I’ve got a great asset, I’ve got a great practice, and there should be people fighting over what I have. We want our doctors to be in a position that, hey, if I don’t hear what I need to hear, I just walk away. No harm, no foul. We don’t charge anything to do that prospectus, we don’t charge anything to take a practice to market. There’s not an upfront fee. We only get paid when the doctor gets paid. And sometimes the answer is, do nothing, keep doing what you’re doing.

  • 00:18:10 – The One Move to Make This Week: Get an Independent Valuation
    • Scott’s direct recommendation: get a third-party, unbiased valuation, completed internally by a dental-specific CPA. PTS completes between 800 and 900 of these prospectuses a year and transacts 90 to 100 practices annually, and doctors can update their prospectus yearly until they’re genuinely ready to sell.
    • His warning: avoid responding to unsolicited outreach directly from DSOs, since their outreach is specifically designed to catch a doctor on the right day, uninformed, and without competitive pressure working in their favor. For more info about Professional Transition Strategies contact Scott at scott@theptsgroup.com.

    Scott Plantenberg: Get that prospectus done. It’s unbiased, it’s a third party valuation, it’s actually completed internally by a dental specific CPA. We literally have had doctors for five years, six years, seven years, updating their prospectus, working on their practice, so that when they’re ready, they’re gonna get the best possible offer. It’s free, it’s confidential, there’s no obligation to proceed. The other thing, whatever you do, is avoid the unsolicited offer from a DSO. The best thing you can do is get informed, and a prospectus is the best way to do that.

Patients really do not care about what the cost is if they receive a tremendous value — because the value you receive is more important than the money you spend. People don’t want to just buy something. What they want is a relationship.

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Leadership is what holds everything together. If there’s no leadership, everything crumbles down.

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Resources


Gary Takacs

Gary Takacs One of Gary's most significant achievements as a dental practice management coach is transforming his own practice, LifeSmiles, from one that was infected with PPO plans, no effective marketing strategy, and an overhead of 80% to a very successful dental practice that is currently one of the top-performing practices in the US.

With over 2,200 coaching clients, Gary has first-hand experience transforming insurance-dependent practices into thriving and profitable practices.

Through his Personalized Coaching Program, Gary shares access to the systems, strategies, processes, and experience gained over 41 years of coaching dentists and transforming over 2200 practices worldwide.

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Naren Arulrajah

Naren ArulrajahAs CEO of Ekwa Marketing, Naren has over a decade of experience working with dental practices and helping them attract the ideal type of patients to their practices. It is his goal to help dentists do more of the type of dentistry they love with the help and support of effective digital marketing.

Ekwa’s "Done-For-You" Digital Marketing model blends fundamental persuasion principles with an all-in-one Digital Marketing solution to help your ideal patients find you and choose you for reasons other than being on their insurance plan.

If you’re interested in finding out if Ekwa is the right fit for you and your practice, book a Free Marketing Strategy Meeting with Ekwa’s Marketing Director, Lila Stone.

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